. I have plenty of tuning spirit, but some things are best left alone. You are using an out of date browser. Mrten competes in a special 2003 Mercedes CLK we first covered in 2015. All bolt-in, no welding required. MBWorld member Gen3Benz had the ambitious plan of stuffing an LS1 V8 motor under the hood of his W201. No matter how i lean it back and forth the steering box is not touching anything, the engine mounts are in the correct place it and it has like a 2-3 cm gap from the starter. Source: Nomotors.ua and Mt Nuszer via Piotr. Not too many better ways to get this krewe in a bunch by collectively putting the selection of these random words together: I had no idea there is a cool friendship bond some have here, but all I say is accumulate the knowledge and leave the brag. We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. i dont think i need to do anything to the firewall. Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. Yup, that's John's car. I believe the engine carrier would need to be modified. via Engine Swap Depot edit: get that engine bay power washed a tad, now that you know, the fit is there. cheap way ,and use procharger instead. Connect common ground at intake manifold. i'll trade you my 87 parts car (engine and trans and body in tact) and a 5spd +shifter assy for you to tear apart and modify for your 2.6 5-spd see everyone wins!! M119 upper engine harness - how to rewire temp plug? If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. Don't tear into the 190e yet, I would like to purchase it from you ! It's lacking power to spin the big heavy 18" AMG monoblock wheels it came with, so I'm looking into an engine swap. Head gasket and oil leaks are common to both engines. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. In addition, the engine carrier and mounting setup I believe is different between the V-8 and inline-six models? Note that the battery is located under the hood on an E320, and the couple of computers there are, are located just behind the battery under the windshield. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. If you are picky about colors and options, plan on a nationwide search that may take 6 months or longer. ya dont destroy a 5-speed sportline. I want mercedes V8 power, or at least AMG 6 cylinder. I wasn't kidding about a 6-12 month search nationwide. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. M104.981ish 3.0L Engine Block Moar. Once all the wiring is laid out it is pretty simple to figure out. After 6 years of reading this forum, I was under the impression that a 5L LH M119 will install neatly into a 400E, 100% of the time for 10 times less than what JC220 wants to charge some incognizant stranger? I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. Probably $15k min, but you'd have a torque monster that'd be just as interesting (or more) than a V8 S124. If you have an E320 sedan and want more power, start shopping for an E420 with ASR and heated seats, rust-free, in your favorite color combo. He is an electrical wizard. __________________. How to get your M119 5.0L V8 running optimally? The alternator for the W124 will work, but the wires will be kinked in an unnatural position. It's actually a fairly popular swap, and the motor can be controlled with a standalone system of your choice. Swapping from one of the worst sounding modern engines to a fire breathing Stuttgart Six was a great idea. If I was ever going swap in a V8 into a W124 sedan it would be a Chevy LS motor. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The work in the trunk involved installing a new fuel cell, fold-down radiator, expansion tank, and tubular structure. Unrelated but tied to the M104 is the crumbling wiring issue, and evaporator failure. The motor is mated to a modified 722.634 five-speed automatic transmission with custom 5000 rpm converter, W124 210 mm LSD rear end, and Sportline 300E 32 mm axles. Learn how your comment data is processed. But any ways, what engines can I put in my 190? Going to add the flywheel magnet to a single mass M103 FW, Forgot to mention this is also a non-ASR engine, the amount of wire harnesses and modules even on the simpler 6cyl is a bit staggering.I think adapting a BMW M50 motronic would probably be easier, Steve Geyer has done this swap with his 190E, he would be an excellent source for this. 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. all that accumulated grease and oil. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. I believe the lotus elan used a turbocharged or supercharged 4 banger which produced nice power. 20cm is slightly too long). 120492018_1240624106295229_4604718134584404570_n.jpg. Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. So one day we decided that that nobody has ever ( that I've seen) built and successfully completed a 500e wagon. Im very glad Ive discovered this thread as when I started the swap in January this wasnt posted yet, Im mechanically minded but new to cars and electrics in general, any pointer will be much appreciated, thanks! The secondary firewall and motor mounts are also positioned differently to accommodate the extra length of the M103. One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. It's like obsidian gray in color so it can't be, then again it's been repainted, but I think the same color. whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. changing the clutch and pulling out m104 engine on my 2.0 W201 190Eswap,320e,e320,w124,m104,m104 3.2,mercedes-benz,plasme cutting,mercedes,,190,190e,. w16302ML500 w21097E50Amg w20299C230K w12494420e /==>w12495320e-199u (needs elec TLC) /GreatWhiteNorth Kanada, I dont think w210 would be the right forum for this but i changed it, 89 190E2.6- 5-speed Manual - 200K miles, 95 E320 Sportsline-sold, 2001 E320 4matic Wagon-sold. Using the ones meant for a W124 will result in the engine sitting too high and interfere with hood closing, Removed the engine mount support arms from the original 190E motor and transferred to the new M104 motor. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU . In order to use the M104 CIS intake box, the supply line must be swapped. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If it was a black 2.6, with gray cladding, that's John's car from the over on the rev. Mounting the 190E A/C manifold to the engine block introduces a problem where the A/C compressor can no longer be mounted to the accessory bracket. Each wheel is turned by upgraded axles with modified knuckles and BMW E34 hubs. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. An additional option is to have a high pressure diagnostic port installed as well since this port will be lost from switching to the M104 A/C manifold. A solution to fix this is to use the M104 A/C manifold (104 230 04 56 is NLA, aftermarket solution: Four Seasons 55586) and have both hoses custom made. Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. This Mercedes W124 300E called Blueberry is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. You must log in or register to reply here. 4 bangers can be quite powerful.. My typo error corrected (w210 ===>w201). The suspension features factory Mercedes subframes with custom front and rear control arms and KW 3-way adjustable coilovers. The easiest swap out, would be a 90-93 300SL Engine Swap. Would you recomend doing this swap? The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. I heard the M104 is the same longblock engine as the M103 with the same fuel delivery system, except it is bored out for more displacement, and has DOHC 4 valves per cyllinder instead of SOHC 2 per cyllinder, but is essentially the same engine. Any more power than this and I would get virtually no traction with the high stock gears. The team also includes mechanics Christopher Reinholdsson, Robin Carlsson, Stefan Engstrm, Jesper Jumisko, Edvin Olsson, Joel Haglund, and media/spotter Sebastian Simonsson. Yes, I'm putting the 1995 E420 Special Edition on the block for a number of reasons which I'm not going to expound on here about. Bolt starter to the engine before lowering. Navigation Menu. To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? You must log in or register to reply here. Wow, Thanks for all the info. Front of block: 350SDL "Diesel" crank (Now not just limited to L series fun for strokers!) The injection system is still CIS and the ignition system is still EZL, but additional work is required to make the swap complete. The engine is mated to a Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox using a Sachs Motorsports pressure plate, Tenaci Motorsport 200 mm clutch discs and flywheel. As a side note, the block has over 150k on it and the bores are still within a thou of origional specs, there are no ring marks at the top and you can still see the factory cross-hatch. If it doesn't stall leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!!! Sweden for a dyno tune. JavaScript is disabled. Bolt starter to transmission later. 1990 190E 2.6 oil pressure problem uh-oh! Connect single pin connector by ignition coil, Connect AC compressor wires (blue/green, white, blue/red), Connect throttle position wires (brown/yellow, brown, gray/yellow). Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. I just like to make plan on what and how I am going to do it so when it comes time I know exactly what needs to be done. Source: Team Lovetap (project page), Team Lovetap FB page, Auto-Gruppen FB page, and Drifted. Then swap in a 2.65-2.82 differential (in place of the 2.24 granny gears) and, optionally, a 5.0L engine. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. CLK, W209. Said it made around 345hp(?) I would also like to do suspension up grades and a EVOII kit in the future. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. For those unfamiliar with the project, its powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox. JavaScript is disabled. 1975 W116 280S - SOLD 1994 W124 E320 Coupe - Gone CURRENT - 1974 450SEL s class W116 Addict Posts: 4,213 I'll keep the 116's, the rest can go Location: Squeezing 3 W116's into a double garage Logged #1 19 August 2010, 12:38 PM MB 300E 24v Turbo MS3X. For those unfamiliar with the project, it's powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a . Biggest problem isint fuel, if u cant retard ignition according to boost then eventually u have some major engine failure. Lower engine from hoist into engine bay and align motor mounts. as for fitting in the 104 engine, it is anyone's guess whether the manifold and down pipes will clear the steering box. from my search I limit the option for an engine swap between the M104.980 from w124 300ce 24v and the M104.990 from a W140 320. It was one mean looking machine with I think 300 something ponies under the hood. engine alone. CIS 4 prong sensor is now located at the water pump so this needs to be lengthened. The 20% difference consists of 10% engine/gearing, 8% bodywork and interior, and 2% everything else. Get the full engine harness, the ezl unit, and the ecu. Is there a cross reference for this or is the ebay special the best bet? the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. I believe you are correct that it came with a V6. Mercedes made a ton of upgrades when they put the V8 into the 6-cyl chassis, which is why you can't easily upgrade the E320. Was real nice. Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. Makes a fantastic daily driver. AMG would be nice and or a V8. '87--190E 2.3-16v(being rebuilt), '99--C230 Kompressor. This Nissan 350Z was built to drift by Yaroslav Kremets from Nomotors in Kyiv, Ukraine. Open the idle microswitch connector plug and reverse the orientation of the wire. articles/m104.98x_motor_swap_in_a_190e.txt, W201 (specifically 1992-1993 190E 2.6, other models need adaptation). I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL. I suppose that would work, I'm not sure why the 2.0 steering column is different than 2.3 or 2.6. Quote: Originally Posted by oldsinner111. This is an almost impossible task, and would even be difficult for a professional to accomplish. All new control harnesses would need to be fabricated for all of the car's systems and the battery and cables run to the trunk. both m104 and 2jz handle 1000hp but the price is real big difference. as i have said, the chassis for 2.6 vs all other models are different. History, Power & Specs of the Engine M104 2.8 L M104.900 3.0 L M104.98x 217 to 228 hp@ 6400 rpm 265Nm (195lbft@ 4600) (with cat) The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. Doing the upgrades on an E420 is plug+play, and easily done if you have the ability to handle an engine swap. Team Lovetap is a Swedish drift team started by driver and fabricator Mrten Stngberg. Seen one in the "legends of the autobahn" car show a couple of years ago in Carmel/Monterey. you really should join the 190 forum (sorry, i don't have a link) as If you really want to get speed though, deff change the brakes. How much power can you get out of the 16v? Ok got it all nearly wrapped up this past week, around 60 hours or so to turn key M104. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. Could any of yall point me in the right direction to d this? Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. via Oppositelock. Hi Adriano. The W124 has the connection point closer underneath the brake booster line and is about 5 inches shorter. Although this is still a tiny bit longer and almost doesn't fit. Connect oil pressure and oil level sensor wires, Bolt wire bracket to rear of intake manifold (10mm), Connect alternator wires coming from right fender, Connect rear crankshaft position sensor wire, Connect front crankshaft position sensor under X11 diagnostic port, Connect heater return hose at back of engine, Use W124 water reservoir overflow hose and 190E valve from thermostat cover, Use T connector at front vacuum nipple to connect to EZL and EGR/Smog pump solenoid, Connect black striped white vacuum line from throttle body to check valve at fender behind headlight, Connect 3 vacuum line at rear of intake manifold. Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). Mercedes M104 make a good tuning project and with carefully chosen sports modifications like remapping, turbo upgrades and camshafts you will substantially increase your driving opportunities. There are two approaches to getting the wiring completed for this swap. Use it however you wish or block it off. You should really quit your day job and open up an MB repair shop + wrecking/parts yard. I owned a supra before this car and miss it. My daily is an LS swapped 80 series land cruiser. it isnt a direct swap. Ive heard opinions that Toyotas 2JZ was heavily inspired by this M104 series, which came out a year before the 2JZ (and ofc the earlier M103 and M110 series from the late 70s). The turbocharger system consists of a TB90 90 mm turbocharger, 60 mm wastegate, 50 mm blowoff valve, Turbobandit intake, 90 mm throttle body, and stainless exhaust manifold. ugh! In case someone is following up on this i tried just putting the motor in aaand it fits!!! The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! It's 80%. You are using an out of date browser. Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? Im gonna have to work my ass off to be able to do the work on this benzbut it will all be worth it in the end. The upper hose needs to be simply matched to the original length of the 190E part and the lower hose comes out to around 20cm (I would try 19.5cm for an easier fit. Remove with transmission attached. It is the newer 24valve m104 engine. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. The car is powered by a 3.2 L M104.992 inline-six using stock pistons, forged 144 mm rods, main girdle, custom intake and exhaust manifolds, custom dry sump system, and BorgWarner EFR 9180 turbocharger. The steering box is in fact in a different location on the M102 cars versus the 6-cylinder M103 cars. Let's see .. Palli, you're in the correct forum. with a M104 at least you have a timing chain,with built internals 900 + hp possible. Every panel is made from FRP (fiber-reinforced plastic) except for A-pillar, C-pillar, and roof. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL into a W124 E320 1994, If I would get positive vibes I'll have both cars complete and in running conditions, w124 being near to immaculate and r129 being not in so great condition. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. What did you need to do to convert the coils from the three coils and three wires to six individual invention coils on the m104 engine? This BMW E46 has spent the past two years being built by VRP Fab in Lublin, Poland for drifting. Heater core and radiator connections are both identical, M103 vacuum hard line fits well, 124.104 PS Pump has larger fittings 201.103 is direct replacement just swap over rear mount bracket, late model 124 AC discharge lines up with condenser..suction just needs one crimp to combine 103 upper and 104 lower half R R0BB09 E500E Newbie Aug 10, 2019 The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Since then the car has seen a lot of action. Power will be greater with an LS swap. I think you meant steering box/column from a w201 (not W210) W103 is what you meant. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. Learn how your comment data is processed. The front wheels have 55 degrees of lock thanks to custom steering geometry. I have a 1990 190E 2.6the straight six just isnt cutting it performance wise. Doesn't the 93 sportline have the switchable differential? 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. Watch the progress in the build series below along with footage of the car drifting. You will need to reclock the alternator by removing the screws holding the 2 halves of the alternator together and turning them to match how a 190E alternator looks. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. M104.98x Motor Swap in a 190E One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. Power is sent through a 4-inch driveshaft to a BMW E34 differential modified to fit the factory Mercedes subframe. Simple and cheap power however since I wasnt inclined to do a engine swap I bought a E420.

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