Felt AR instead Venge if you hate disc brakes!!! Higher weight, slower times not necessarily true, but I am aware that as a heavier ride i need considerably more Wattage to get up the hills than the featherweights due to my old friend gravity. At Zwift Insider we test every Zwift frame and wheelset using a standard, isolated procedure to determine how it performs on flats and climbs. Is this common on zwift? With structured workouts and social group rides. Additionally, routes with key climbs over a couple of minutes long (think Watopias Volcano or Londons Box Hill) may lend themselves well to an all-arounder as opposed to a straight aero performer. The S5 2020 has been slowed due to the groupset bug. Differences would be in the millisecond range but might be much more relevant as these are where races and won and lost. Events. Where would you place the Ridley Noah fast? Zwift Insider is independent of Zwift corporate (www.zwift.com), although Zwift does provide funding to help defray site costs. The Chris Pritchard Show 2 years ago NEW TO ZWIFT? Dont worry you can buy the cheaper and faster Zwift Aero at level 6. Privacy Policy, How to Race on Zwift (Setup, Strategy, and More). The Specialized Venge (which appears to be the original Venge ViAS) is a very slippery frame, and outclimbs the Cannondale SystemSix (just barely), so we give it the edge here. ), did you test them yet ? 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Elevation Gain 304m. Thanks. Mavic Carbon SL US, CXR60c Thats a slim margin, and one youre not likely to notice in the craziness of the Zwift peloton. As Season four of the Zwift Racing League approaches, we take a detailed look at the biggest virtual cycling league in the world Still a speedy beast, though. 1- Can you please explain how to do the + disc combo on a Cervelo S5? Route profile by ZwiftHub the place to plan and track your route achievements! I did the Arena games, but im not in the list at the end First race i Was 2nd , second race i was 3rd. Is there a fastest TT bikes at each level also? They are lightweight and have narrow tires, which makes them ideal for racing or riding on paved roads. to. Zwift Insider is independent of Zwift corporate (www.zwift.com), although Zwift does provide funding to help defray site costs. The stars rating or whatever you call it shows this to be better than the Cervelo? Is the Cervelo S5 3/3 stars rating overall better than the Emonda? if you go back to the bottom of comments on the under level 15 report you will now find I have written a more detailed account for Cathy who had a similar question to your own. The Chris Pritchard Show 41.7K subscribers 20K views 2 years ago After weeks of testing we now have the top 10 fastest bikes on Zwift. To find out how Lionel Sanders fared in the final itself, read our full report. x, 177,600 Drops to purchase, must be Level 13+. At the same wattage higher weight is slower up a climb. Each piece of equipment has unique weight and aerodynamic (CdA) values, making them perform in ways that mirror outdoor physics. So I am still slumming it with the Canyon Speedmax CF SLX Disc, which Zwift Insider claims as the fastest TT frame, and Zipp 808/Super9 wheels, the 2nd fastest wheelset. See our speed test charts for a complete list. What about performance going both up AND down hills? She insisted that my face was showing an extreme degree of concentration on what I was reading. the *only* bikes that are better than the Tron *have* to be equipped with the 858/Super 9s, and will be worse the 808/Super 9s]? How Zwift Works. How is that possible for an article that was just published? See the frame charts, wheel charts, and Tron vs Top Performers for current performance data. The Fastest Bike For the Jungle Circuit - ZWIFT - YouTube It's Tour De Zwift time, and today started stage 7, the Jungle CIrcuit. Epic KOM Maybe Ill give it a try one day. Do you know when it will be faster? Hi. Zwift uses several factors to determine your speed in its virtual world. It's harder than real racing. ie. Try free for 14 days. Prevention; Treatment; . I picked up the aeroad 2021 before reaching level 20, doesnt look like the Trek Madone justifies spendingRead more . document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Eric, Your choice of bike frame influences your Zwift speed significantly. Better to sureRead more , S-Works venge + Zipp 454nsw VS Tron BIKE. Ive done the alpe 5 or 6 times, and Ventop once. Zwift is an online, interactive training and racing platform. Zwift Insider makes a small commission on purchases made from these links, so please shop through them to support our efforts. dont you think is underrated? Thks!! but I think you cant get it until level 34 . Heres how to do that >, Want to dig deeper? Thanks. Worsening of pandemic in Madrid? She has been trying to guess what was making me so focused Imagine her face when I told her I was reading an article comparing the speed of virtual Zwift wheels and frames . Out and Back Again is a route which is quite flat until it isnt. We've modeled the Dust in the Wind route using the typical standard bike characteristics from Zwift along with rolling resistance data supplied by ( Zwift Insider ). The sprint times between 454 on these bikes are comparable to the Tron. ZwiftZwift6WatopiaZwift . DESTROYED by Zwift Masters! Yup. Until Zwift changes the way their gravel bikes perform, gravel frames will remain quite unpopular in Zwift. So, when looking for an indoor bike that's compatible with Zwift Cycling there are generally 2 things to look out for. Post below! I think it was 23+ ? I have to tell you something fun though. Not sure what there is to test unless its less steep and then aerodynamics come into play which theyve tested as well. Your best Zwift setup, more than ever, depends on your specific situation. Thats a slim margin, and one youre not likely to notice in the craziness of the Zwift peloton. fixing the Dura Ace bug to make them lighter, or inversely slowing down all other frames without the new Dura Ace)? Undoubtedly a lot more work introducing a 2nd variable,Read more . My garage includes Venge, Tarmac Pro, Z808, Enve3.4 and Meilenstein. Shop. We've modeled the Out and Back Again route using the typical standard bike characteristics from Zwift along with rolling resistance data supplied by ( Zwift Insider ). Or Zwift aero+dtswiss arc1100 combo.. It also climbs just a few seconds faster than the Felt AR and Cervelo S5 in our Alpe tests, so it definitely deserves the #1 slot., A bit of edditing required for the number 2 slot. I cant see how to change it to disc.. :-).. 2 Furthermore, any input on which is the best bike for the WM route 2020? What about Yorkshire/Harrogate UCI (as the one you ride today in TdZ)? Your weight is constant so the lighter bike at the same watts will be faster. Is any of them a must buy ? These bikes can be purchased with in-game credit, 'Drops', as long as you have met or exceeded the level based availability. Hi Eric, the overweight groupset bug was fixed, right? The Canyon Ultimate, Cervelo S5 and the Scott Addict RC. Avg Grade 0.0%. Sep 2, 2021: added the Cervelo S5 2020 in the #1 slot. I had that happen on a route, and it turned out I already had the badge. One thing that helped a bit is going up the reverse epic KOM for workouts. Thank for all the hard work that goes into them. It turns in a performance on par with our top 3 picks on the flat test, but is a few seconds back on the Alpe. Also if the 51mm medium depth wheels is a negative compared to RSL62s or positive as a more all round bike. Mathematically there would have to be some max climbing height over some distance that makes a climbing bike more efficient over the whole distance than an aero bike and viceRead more , I would say if the race finishes at the top of a climb (e.g. Zwift is the fitness company born from gaming. iOS and Android compatible. I have a similar understanding from what he wrote above, except that in his wheelset reviews he says the 808/Super 9s performed identically on the Alpe, and were only 1-2 seconds slower over the ~50 flat test, so they *should* be better than the Tron bike? When I bought it, it was 23 and one star better in weight. This site contains affiliate links to Amazon, Wahoo, and other brands. The Madone is a solid race machine on the flats, and fairly easy to maintain since it is level-locked at 20+. Any chance we could get a mixed test of climbing and flat? Numbers as stated in Stage 1, but you get the full 13s advantage. I do have decent ideas sometimes, I tried doing that for one of my articles and found that it made a huge difference when going up the Alpe. Enve 3.4, 6.7, 8.9 To have ridden this route 3 times you will need to have ridden a cumulative total of over 75 miles so you clearly arent riding the full route each time. The Canyon Speedmax CF SLX didnt even make the list? You need to pass through the desert arch. This is 568,000 Drops to purchase, must be Level 10+, The new Aeroad is one of the most aero frames in game, and its a strong climber as well. Since those wheelsets are level-locked at 35+, many Zwifters will not have access to them. TRI247 / Triathlon Features / Interviews. Flat and rolling covers mostroutes on Zwift, with the exception of anything including major climbs like Alpe du Zwift, the Epic KOM, orInnsbrucks KOM. The S-Works is 11s slower up the Alpe, and the same speed as the pro on the flats. How does the S-Works Tarmac compare to the Pro version? But since were talking about flat/rolling speeds, weve ranked it lower on this list. One of the aspects I wonder concerning different frames/wheelsets is how rider weight might effect their performance? Hi Dan, Also added the Pinarello Dogma F and Chapter2 TOA, and removed the Cannondale SystemSix and Specialized Venge since they are the slowest on the list and weve got to keep the list short. Body weight also seems significant. We're dedicated fitness enthusiasts, experienced video game developers, and disruptive thinkers. You canRead more , Found it: https://zwiftinsider.com/points-levels-unlocks/. Ive done this route a few times going over 40k each time. According to Cervelo, "The PX-Series is faster and more aerodynamic than any other triathlon bike we have tested." That seems to almost apply in Zwift as well, where the PX-Series is quite slippery. Fastest Wheelsets Total time savings of fastest frame and wheelset over stock Zwift setup (Zwift Carbon frame and 32mm wheels): 19+59.5=78.5 seconds Times above based on our flat speed tests, done with a solo 75kg rider at 300 watts over two laps of Watopia's very flat Tempus Fugit route. Would these frame recommandations be equally good for group rides and workouts or do you have a list of the best all rounders? Check out our Frame Ranking Charts and Wheel Ranking Charts. He lives in Northern California with his beautiful wife, two kids and dog. The RAD Cycle Products Adjustable Bike Trainer Fitness Desk Portable Workstation will keep you on task with plenty of room to fit over a bike and use it as a fitness desk to keep your notebook or laptop, tablet or touchpads, smart phone and healthy drinks close at hand as you pedal on your indoor bike trainer. However, Im surprised you havent done speed tests on a mixed route, (as well as the flat and all uphill routes). Trusted by the pros. I think it is time to move on to a different bike app. You are the best! One question every rider should ask as they head into a Zwift race is: which frameset is should I use on this route? Higher weight, slower times. 3 seconds in an hour is 0.1%; relative to my FTP thats about 0.3 watts (yes, increase in speed isnt linear with power, but it gives an indication of the magnitude of effect). Yeah, I got the better discs being level 46 now but you know I really like the tron bike and I worked hard to get it so I using it as I am not going to be leading any packs anyway so I should be enjoying my bike of choice oddly to me anyway at 104kg the TRON feels faster than my sworks with the ARC discs should not be the case but SWORKS Verge feels slower. Ill publish a post about it and the Parlee soon. Jul 26, 2021: added the Pinarello Dogma F in the #4 slot. Alpe Just hit level 35 and I have the tron. Youre likely thinking of the ZI article listing the fastest climbing frames, where its #2, or the speed test article, where its the #1 all-rounder frame. Set Zwift to metric. Oct 1, 2020: removed the old Canyon Aeroad (which was ranked #8) and listed the new Canyon Aeroad 2021 in the #5 slot. * The Cervelo S5 2020, Specialized Venge S-Works, Felt AR, and Uranium Nuclear all turn in matching times in our flat tests. Read more speed tests here >. This will reduce your need to shift, and allow you to spin a higher cadence up steep climbs. This list is based on our recent speed tests using the Tempus Fugit route. Which would be faster: Canyon Aeroad vs. Zwift Aero+ZIPP 808 wheels ? Im also interested in this topic. you can access the 858/super9 with a frame -all bikes are slower than tron upuntil you have these wheels?- how is this list not fastest bikes below level 45? Ah no wonder the aeroroad took a hit Felt off the other day, Only thing I hate about the tron bike is there is no standing animation for it , Sure splitting hairs but still Looks like Ill switch the tron bike back in for the flats as I have the disc wheels but not the disco ball versions as I only lvl 36. Thanks. For the rider, we modeled a lighter athlete holding roughly 2.5 to 2.7 Watts/Kg. Stage 4 - AdZ. Route Basics Length: 39.8 km (24.7 miles) cervelo and opposite for a climbing course. He finished in 26m 57s, making it the fastest-ever time trial ridden at the Tour, at 54.545 km/h. Soon it looks like I have choose between the Pin. Uninstall and reinstall the Zwift app. The Cervelo S5 2020 is FAST. and in that respect the S5 2020 is definitely the better bike than the Uranium Nuclear, because it LOOKS faster, Cmon Eric Im sure youve got enough time on your hands to produce a fastest bike/wheelset for every route on zwift? I assumed it was the best all around bike but would thats looking more like the Aeroad 2021 then? What is the best bike for a round trip including a mountain? And stay in front so the weaker rider gets your draft. Important note: this post contains speed test results for Zwift frames or wheels. This does not include TT bikes, which cannot draft and are in a list by themselves. The fastest non-disc wheelset (Zipp 858) puts you 3 seconds behind the Tron bike in our flat test, assuming you're on one of the first four frames in our list above. Yes, youll still get credit for Strava segments, and in game segments, including route badges, KOMs, etc. SystemSix: 497,000 Drops to purchase, must be Level 27+, Cannondales aero offering doesnt disappoint, turning in solid fast lap times on flat/rolling routes. I have read a few times recently they the Cannondale Evo is actually faster than the Canyon Aeroad? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Have you ever experimented with rider weight to see if it makes any difference to the bike and wheelset performance?.as a 110kg rider i need all the help i can get going up them hills! Could I ask that you run the same test at 250 watts/75 kg, perhaps among just the current Top 4 or 5 bikes on this list to see if the results are the same? Hey Eric, on a course like the Surrey Hills, with multiple medium climbs and descents, would a full aero set up have an advantage over the climbing bikes? 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