There is a good chance you can hide some minor medical problems or even some major ones that you recovered from years ago. While a diabetic can develop hypoglycemic coma, a cardiac patient faint from an arrhythmia, or a patient become mentally impaired from an excessive dose of a medication, the real world evidence does not support that such incidences are common enough to recommend banning driving by those with such medical conditions. Therefore I go to a chiropractor every chance I get. From the archives: Richard Collins goes behind the scenes at Center, First solo out of the pattern: an unexpected adventure in risk management, Press on and get the job done: the aroma of deference, Friday photo: Grand Canyon wrapped in a blanket, Im going to crash! -helping a pilot in distress. Risk is a price of freedom. I lost my 2012 medical cert in Istanbul, and make the mistake of sending the FAA form requesting a duplicate. I can only speak from my personal experience as a pilot with a special issuance medical. One assault charge, not so much. Too much information could mean denial of the application and bureaucratic warfare with the FAA. Ask those young people who posted personal info online and then got turned down for a job interview because of those posts they placed years ago. Theyre just scared something is going to happen in the air. The FAA has panels of civilian medical experts for each speciality who meet regularly to review the FAA medical regulations and recommend changes based on new research. He landed safely, but it was his last flight. I've known guys who've cheated the system but have never heard of anyone in or close to my circle of pilot frinds who've had any aeromedical violation investigations. Are they going to question my patriotism or mental stability? I am unconscious every night. waiting for them. The AME also cannot read their minds, so he cannot go beyond a reasonable interpretation either to help with these questions. Makes no logical sense. I was then a County Police Officer for 21 years. If you are stupid and want to wait months for a medical waiver. They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. About a week before I was suppose to be soloed I went for my medical and was told by my AME that I cant fly because I take adderal. N.C., one does not have the right to lie to the feds investigating an illegal act. So do we really want 10+% of our commercial pilots to be flying with untreated major depressive disorders? Then we really would have a pilot shortage, now wouldnt we. Wiley Post would have never passed a physical. On the other hand, when I started flying and had to take a 3rd class medical, the AMI was a personal friend and knew of my hearing problems, therefore suggested we do the hearing test with an audiometer in the evening when there was less noise and confusion in the office. Some justify white lies by rationalizing they would just be wasting everyones time and effort by disclosing minor issues. Generally, first-class is designed for the airline transport pilot; second-class for the commercial pilot; and third-class for the student, recreational and private pilot. That would translate into 45-50 deaths a year. Hmm cant spell worth a darn mostly dumb fingers will that get me rejected??? I hope the FAA box didnt kill more. Such disorders might be genetic. He proceeded to read off the list and after a half dozen items to which I responded No, he said You wouldnt tell me if you had any of these, would you? good for 2 years. There are about 450-500 deaths per year in ALL of general aviation. In my opinion the medical standards of evaulating pilots needs to be changed in light of new treatments. Simple you dont need to know and if you are scared to apply for you medical because your feared in getting caught. One way is by lying. Ruin a life a move on. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. Flying is no more dangerous than driving when properly trained. Too little or false information could park a pilot on the ground'permanently'and lead to fines and jail time if authorities detect a lie or deceit. I avoid medical intervention like the plague. by Paul Engstrom, Aviation Writer and IFA Member. The FAA requires applicants with a diagnosis of epilepsy to be seizure-free for 10 years without medication before being considered for a medical certificate. However, I also think that the standards for commercial and airline pilots should be more stringent. Lying on the medical is usually unnecessary in order to keep flying, and has such potentially dire consequences for ones life, family, and finances that its not worth the risk. but I was frustrated because a desk bureaucrat figured they knew more about my health than 3 doctors who had recently examined me with aviation in mind.. Just makes you wonder. The FAA will then require more detailed medical information before they can determine if you qualify for a medical certificate. However, if you are involved in an accident, incident, or disciplinary action, you can bet that the FAA and the necessary authorities will take the time to investigate, and things you didnt disclose will come out. From open heart surgery and stroke to PTSD and diabetes, it is possible to qualify for an FAA medical certificate with more conditions than most pilots suspect. I have been screwing around with Oklahoma City since May 2010 and I still really have not made a very big dent towards my certification. If you didnt say yes then you lied. Much is right there too, but that practice detracts from an otherwise good performance. Auto correct makes illiterates of us all. He had me sit where I could not see him so that I could not tell when he hit the switch that turned on the tone I was required to listen for. How did the terrorists that crashed into the twin towers pass a medical that I failed for COUNSELING??! All other patients was sick, so sick but pilots healthy, so healthy. I for one, not being a medical doctor, place my trust in my AME and my PCP. As a pilot for over 13 years and now an AME as of this month, I understand your concern. I got my ticket after age 50. Probably, we certainly arent as full of ourselves as I was when I was a young man. On the part of most pilots here its not lying. AOPA and FAA have not really been a lot of help. Someday you might actually have a problem you cannot hide. I had kidney stone surgery 12 years ago and over the last two years I passed two stones at home. In my case I have never lied, but if Im at risk of loosing my license for a medical condition that is under control I might do that also. Case in point: A student pilot I was familiar with crashed his aircraft into the runway and killed himself after being arrested for drunk-driving the previous night. I also feel that anyone flying not-for-hire who can truthfully answer no to all the medical questions should be allowed to submit that form directly to the FAA and maintain his medical without needing to see his AME. People are willing to take the risks in exchange for their freedoms. Office hours M-F 8:30am - 5:00pmOur Privacy But with such a vague statement, you can see why many pilots may unintentionally get themselves into trouble. the third class should go away. Please remember, he has a liability also. That process will have to be repeated every year. Great guy, but he needlessly put a lot of peoples lives in danger. However, when it comes to flying without another capable pilot on board.only friends and family..that is another matter. But, sooner or later, most pilots will develop a medical condition that they cannot hide. A pilot might reason, for example, that the antidepressant he's taken for months hasn't caused any side effects and actually makes him more mentally fit to fly, a safer pilot. I am all in favour of your own doctors certificate of good health. The real question is; Do you trust you AME? Bottom line, you are better off disclosing to the FAA if you want a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd class medical certificate. None of the above activities has any significant medical requirement. They leave that up to you, but just make sure you read their minds so that your interpretation matches theirs that they dont tell you. It has caused unnecessary pain and inhibits its mission to promote aviation. All because of a blood pressure medication I put on my 2012 medical form. Perfect safety is impossible, and an excessive attempt to achieve it will conflict with freedom. If you qualify for an FAA medical certificate, they will issue it to you at the end of your appointment, document your exam findings, and transmit your application to the FAA. And, apparently, if and applicant for a first medical certificate with student certificate has had epilepsy, he/she can be deferred even if seizure-free for more than 10 years. How about medical visits in past 3 years? Special Issuance hoop jumping is expensive. I have been a private pilot since 10/05/2013 I know that the medical form is a self certifying process that can have good or bad risks but you never know what the FAA has access to since their a government organization/department. The AME guide expands on that question to unexplained unconsciousness. The AME Guide is available to all pilots on the FAA website. Bury the third class in favor of drivers licenses, who cars come with inches of mine, go against lights, etc. The Federal Aviation Regulations and U.S. law require that FAA Form 8500-8, the application for a medical certificate, be filled out completely and truthfully'or else. Ive been fighting to get my 3rd class for 10 years and now I think Im close to getting a special issuance. In this case, you can cast doubt on the original diagnosis and attempt to avoid further evaluation. Wouldnt tell you if I had a peg leg and a glass eye. Id probably be in better shape if I *wasnt* a pilot since Id feel free to take advantage of those things, whereas now theyre just traps, ways to lose the ability to fly. Why would you need to report that? I know of several. As a 74 year old pilot, I feel that seeing the Aviation Doc every two years is good for my health. I refer them to my TMI rule; if it was transient, dont say it. I'm not offering any advice on what to do. It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. Are we the same person? the more you say no the more you are hurting your own self. Congress should forbid the FAA from requiring any medical for recreational flying. Would I report this or any depression on the 8500-8? The AME is there to help you get a medical LEGALLY when you have one or more disqualifying conditions. I am a rental pilot as well, and unfortunately, there are no sport rentals available, and they are too expensive to buy. Furthermore, any standard of medical concern for pilots is lost because it allows the FAA to turn a blind eye to a medical condition. I forgot to mention that your Idea sounds like a good Idea. Federal Air Surgeon Jon Jordan is very aware of the FAA fear factor among pilots who worry about the potential consequences of filling out the form truthfully. If I tell the AME about this will I not get my cert that day? Typical government bull-. They are issued by states. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. If your medical expires, there is nothing to stop you from continuing to fly. I was STUPID enough to be honest. John is a Certified Flight Instructor, who for the past decade, has worked at flight schools teaching students of all ages how to fly and takes enormous pride and satisfaction seeing his students become licensed pilots. Home | About | Contact | Copyright | Report Content | Privacy | Cookie Policy | Terms & Conditions | Sitemap. Its not lying its letting them find out, which would probably never happen unless something came out about it. RE: Wiley Post. No, get a different one. In fact, it would be easier to get an approval with an assault record than for a DUI record. After 7 years and three more third class medicals-the FAA medical office suddenly decided I had 30 days to provide all the records from a condition I had 20 years ago, or have my medical suspended. An example is the FAAs recent rule change on anti-depressant use. I have been flying with a special issuance 3rd class physical for 15 years. Increasing the gross weight limit of the Sport Aircraft class is a really good idea. Mr. Diabetes can still legally fly as a sport pilot. The information they request is typically a collection of recent medical records that address the concerns they identified in your application. Period. 13. FAA sets up high-level alerts for missed airline inspections, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. - I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. Requesting Medical Records. frankly I aint go no reason to lie,,,but anybody else wants to up to them,ur lic at stake..jus hope u dont endanger anybody else..if its serious..ur life at stake alsow/everybody else below youso happy flying w/clear consciousRex. Now you tell me how sad it is when an idiot declares you have daltonism and denies you the ability to fly, so ruining your dream forever. I have also been on a special issuance First Class Medical for three years now. It is a scam, a make-work project for administrators, and btw, doctors who make a practice of the bulk of business, which is 3rd class. Google "Operation Safe Pilot." In a blatant violation of the privacy act of 1974 as amended, the FAA, DOT Inspector General, and SSA Inspector General, conducted an illegal database match looking for common personally identifying information (names and/or social security numbers) in the FAA medical certificate database and the SSA Title 2 and Title 16 disability databases of 45,000 Northern . SO ITS FLY TILL I DIE OR GO TO PRISON. Wish I would have! The airman who never was on medication for depression and certinatly never had a hospitible addmitance was now having to prove a negative. but that wasnt good enough for the FAA, they require me to spend a pile of money EVERY YEAR to get a SI, and then it takes Oklahoma City 3-4 months to okay it while I sit effectively grounded (adding insult to injury!) However you have never been treated or taken medication so probably if you disclose it the FAA would require some sort of doctors evaluation which says you are OK and that will be the end of it. Unfortunatley I have seen too many accident reports where the pilot was on prescription medications (found during the toxicological examination)many of them disqulifying, and none of them were reported on the medical application. Because the measures necessary to achieve it would make life intolerable dull and stifling. Oh sure they lie. He showed no regard for the safety of others, nor did he feel guilty about lying, just relieved he passed. This is why sometimes it becomes necessary to avoid telling the attending physician more than is necessary least the physician spin the whole condition in different light by making a mountain out of a mole hill, thereby destroying the flying career of the pilot for something that even the physician himself or herself is not sure about. Does anyone know the statistics of how often a dead pilot at a crash is found to have prescribed medications for a condition that has not been reported on the 8500-8? Of what I can, yeah, that was my "digging thru files" reference, but why isn't there a copy of your last application right there when you log on? By the way a friend of mine died 2 hours after acquiring his 2nd class medical. If you have a medical issue, may god be with you as you try to figure out exactly what you have to do (e.g. You can be fined up to $250,000 and jailed for five years for lying to the federal government. Yeah that is what I have been hearing. If you qualify for an FAA medical certificate, they will issue it to you at the end of your appointment, document your exam findings, and transmit your application to the FAA. @Brian B. Fess and get a special issuance if necessary. He refused to take the physical his business required because his family had a history of heart trouble, he was a bit overweight, etc. Find one that will work with you to meet the necessary requirements, but lying is not an option. Under the new regulation, when the first class privileges expire after twelve months, the first class medical lapses to a third class medical. or special licenses for either of those vehicles if they are used recreationally (with the exception of a written test for air brake endorsement, if so equipped). thank you, that will be $110. Manage it and you will not have to lie to the FAA, or your AME, or your PCP. Question 19 speaks to visits to healthcare professionals within the last 3 years. If on this question, an applicant identifies that he or she has been to see his or her doctor for treatment of ADHD, this will likely warrant deferral. Don't undergo a physical exam if you suspect you might be disqualified. With a second class medical, itll be 12 calendar months, and if you start with the third class medical, itll be for 24 calendar months. He went on to training pilots via simulators. I am probably am the only one who will answer that I like to go for the medical because if forces me to go to the doctor. Stan, what is the diagnosis for which you have special issuance? Im not a Senior AME, Ive only been one for a year. I have thought about going Sport Pilot but if I am not healthy enough to pass tests for a 3rd class physical I am not healthy enough to fly sport pilot. Needless to say, I have never taken a $100 Hamburger flight. 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